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How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  AURORA on Sat Aug 28, 2010 9:51 pm

http://www.xr650r.us/jetting/


All of the info and charts on this page were graciously submitted by Gary,"Pontiac Sr.", our resident rocket scientist on the Yahoo Group. Thanks for your time Gary!

Though Gary has done a lot of the footwork for you, this information is in no way intended to be an instant fix to cure any woes you are having in the jetting department. They may be exactly what you need, but chances are they will only get you ballpark. Different pipes, headers, filters and oiling procedures, backfire screens, and fuel will all make the figures sway a little either direction.

Learn how to read plugs and don't ignore what your piggy is trying to tell you via hp, temps, and feel.

The following information is specific to the XR650R. While the following jetting charts should be fairly accurate, please use them as a starting point to work from to find your specific baseline jetting. Your baseline jetting will be the final jet sizes you end up with that gives you the very best performance for a given riding environment. If your riding environment changes from where you’ve setup your baseline jetting, then simply use the correction factors listed in your service manual to find your new jetting specs. If your riding environment varies, then try to choose something that fits most of your riding needs, but error on the side of being too rich if you’re in doubt. Running too lean will lead to premature engine failure. For optimum performance, plan to rejet if the temperature you’re riding at changes more than 20° F above or below your baseline. Also plan to rejet if your altitude changes more than 3,000 feet from your baseline.

Mainjet Size
***Note: These specs are for an XR650R Uncorked / HRC tip / B53E Comp Needle***

*** XR650R Uncorked /stock header with HRC tip / B53E Comp Needle***

Use a main jet one size smaller when using a drilled stock tip instead of the HRC tip
Use a main jet one to two sizes larger when your side panel is cutout
If the stock needle is used, then ad +1 to the clip position listed below
Use a main jet one size larger with a high flow aftermarket exhaust canister
Use a main jet two sizes larger when using a larger diameter aftermarket header & exhaust canister
NOTE: When Gary mentions "Go one size larger", remember that Keihin jets run in sizes of 0, 2, 5, and 8. (170, 172, 175, 178, 180, etc.) A 170 + 2 main jet sizes should equal a 175 if that makes any sense.

When using the formulas above and more than one matches your bike, the increases and decreases in jet size are cumulitive.

Examples:

(XR650R uncorked) + (stage 1 cam) + (drilled out stock tip) = no main jet changes The cam increases the main jet size by 1, but the drilled stock tip subtracts 1 so they cancel each other out.
(XR650R uncorked) + (stage 1 cam) + (side panel cut out) + (HRC tip) = 2 main jet sizes larger
(XR650R uncorked) + (stage 2 cam) + (side panel cutout) + (full exhaust header & canister) = +5 main jet sizes larger


TEMPERATURE IN DEGREES °F

ALTITUDE 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100

0 182 180 178 175 175 172 170 168 168

1000 180 180 175 175 172 170 168 168 165

2000 178 178 175 172 170 168 168 165 162

3000 178 175 172 170 168 168 165 165 162

4000 175 175 172 170 168 165 165 162 160

5000 175 172 170 168 165 165 162 160 158

6000 172 170 168 168 165 162 160 158 158

7000 170 168 168 168 165 162 160 158 155

8000 170 168 165 165 162 160 158 158 155

9000 168 168 165 162 160 158 158 155 152

10000 168 165 165 162 160 158 155 155 152

11000 168 165 162 160 158 158 155 152 150

12000 165 165 162 160 158 155 155 152 150

Needle Clip Position
***Clip position counted down from top of needle***

TEMPERATURE IN DEGREES °F

ALTITUDE 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100

0 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2

1000 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 2 2

2000 4 4 3 3 3 3 2 2 2

3000 4 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2

4000 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2

5000 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 1

6000 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 2 1

7000 3 3 3 2 2 2 2 1 1

8000 3 3 2 2 2 2 1 1 1

9000 3 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1

10000 3 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1

11000 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1

12000 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1

Pilot Size
TEMPERATURE IN DEGREES °F

ALTITUDE 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 90 100

0 72 72 70 70 68s 68s 68s 68s 65

1000 72 70 70 68s 68s 68s 68s 68s 65

2000 70 70 68s 68s 68s 68s 68s 65 65

3000 70 70 68s 68s 68s 68s 65 65 65

4000 70 68s 68s 68s 68s 65 65 65 65

5000 68s 68s 68s 68s 65 65 65 65 62

6000 68s 68s 68s 65 65 65 65 62 62

7000 68s 68s 65 65 65 65 62 62 62

8000 68s 68s 65 65 65 65 62 62 62

9000 68s 65 65 65 65 62 62 62 60

10000 68s 65 65 65 65 62 62 60 60

11000 65 65 65 65 62 62 62 60 60

12000 65 65 65 65 62 62 60 60 60

Jet Identification
One of the most common questions asked on the subject of jetting is "What's the difference between a 68s and a 68 pilot?".

Only a little, but it makes a big difference in fuel flow! Below are two pictures of pilot jets. The top is a normal 68, while the bottom is of a 68s. Notice that the 68s has smaller emulsification holes. Though hard to see in the pics, the "s" has an "S" in the stamped markings.






Here's what Gary thinks of the different jets:
The 68 pilot jet is similar to the 68s. They both share the same main orifice size for the discharge nozzle, but the 68s has smaller emulsion holes on the sides of its tube as you can see by the picture. The smaller holes on the 68s pilot jet reduces the amount of air that mixes with the fuel before the emulsified mixture is discharged through the jet's nozzle.

Now for a bit of Haymakers free trivia: Websters defines "emulsification" as "To make into an emulsion", where the definition of such is the following:

A suspension of small globules of one liquid in a second liquid with which the first will not mix: an emulsion of oil in vinegar.
Now substitute "oil in vinegar" for "fuel in air", and there you have it!

"What does all this mean?" You ask? The size of globules into which the fuel is made by the jet drastically changes the rate in which it will burn. A Charge of air and fuel will burn much faster and with more force when there are more, though much smaller, droplets of fuel involved. I believe that the different jet has a direct correlation to the fact that the big XR is epa certified for emissions. Maybe I can get Gary to provide a little more insight as to why this change has been made.

Here's a bit of real world theory to help you understand how fuel burns. If you were to light a cup containing gasoline, only the surface of the cup would burn. You'd get a orange, smokey, flame, meaning that it was not burning efficiently.

If you were to take that same cup of fuel, atomize it into a fine mist in an enclosed space with the proper 15:1 ratio of air, then light it, you'd see the difference small globules make. Something I once read stated that "1 cup of gasoline will lift 1 ton, 100 feet, in one second." Maybe it's not correct, but it's something to think about as you are trying to put out your eyebrows because you had to check and see if I know what I'm talking about.

Well, that's about all I have for now. If anyone has any constructive criticism or recommendations, please let me know.
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Post  Bump on Tue Dec 07, 2010 5:10 pm

Thanks!
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  AURORA on Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:07 am

No problem
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  BuRP on Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:35 pm

"The 68 pilot jet is similar to the 68s. They both share the same main orifice size for the discharge nozzle, but the 68s has smaller emulsion holes on the sides of its tube as you can see by the picture. The smaller holes on the 68s pilot jet reduces the amount of air that mixes with the fuel before the emulsified mixture is discharged through the jet's nozzle"

"What does all this mean?"
All what it says above, but maybe clearer-put it does enrich the idling mixture, and it does so sooner in the band where it operates (~ closed to 1/4 throttle).
Mind though, the .68mm bore (the jet itself) still throttles the max-fuel to the same limit, but, due to the smaller airholes, it will reach this limit-stage earlier >> the "curve" of air/fuel has changed to a sooner-richer one.

The reason why Honda did as they did is of course to minimize the emissions, and richer jetting i.e. de-corking will naturally care zilch about these. No Treehuggers here eh? razz
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  BuRP on Thu Jan 27, 2011 12:43 pm

"..the .68mm bore (the jet itself) still throttles the max-fuel to the same limit..."

Actually, that is not entirely true.
The engine's vacuum sucks at the opening of the emulsion tube, and this vacuum sucks at both the air- & fuel hole(s). When the air-holes become smaller more of the vacuum is sucking on the petrol-jet, hence this 68s will produce more fuel (at the top of its working band, naturally).
It therefore is valid to say that a 68s will result in a richer idling mixture than a 68 will do.
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  TomXR on Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:17 pm

Hi All
In this winter I want to modified my bike:
Bigger diameter stainless steel header with custom made open exhaust, K&N air filter, modified side cover.
At this moment I have 175 main jet 68s slow jet, but Honda recommend the 185 mainjet for this modification.
So what do you think guys could this be a good choice?
Thanks
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  BuRP on Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:41 am

Try & see if it runs good with that.
Mind though, that K&N is not good for offroad, however fine for street use.
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  TomXR on Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:30 pm

Ok Breda
I did not mention, I bought a supermoto wheel set ( really cool and was "cheap" ) so the next year gonna be on road only. BRP smile
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  BuRP on Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:55 am

Breda? In wet NL there is no dust, you can ride without a filter there I guess clown
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  TomXR on Wed Nov 21, 2012 6:32 pm

What NL stand for? Netherland?
Sorry for my stupidness
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  BuRP on Thu Nov 22, 2012 1:41 pm

Breda's in the Netherlands yes, and your avatar could well be shot there too..
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  TomXR on Thu Nov 22, 2012 6:04 pm

Alsublieft
I forgot you live in South Africa it is belong to Holland right? ( I worked there 2 years ago ) Anyway my header was dispatched yesterday, next week I will go to the exhaust specialist than upload pictures if you interested.
Breda= I just finished with a game on my xbox and there was a black guy he said all the time "breda" and "seen?" you know.
asking for it
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  BuRP on Sun Nov 25, 2012 2:11 pm

Belongs to the Netherlands?
In 1652 yeah, by means of Jan van Riebeeck claiming the Cape of Good Hope, but since then things have changed a bit, wars were fought & concentration camps were invented there (stru). Read up on it, was an eyeopener for me. And, if to your ears the language is 'same' then ask either a Boer or a Dutchman, their - very different - opinions will have you smiling from ear to ear.
You were here? Then come round for a lekker braai next time you visit
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  AURORA on Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:30 pm

TomXR wrote:Hi All
In this winter I want to modified my bike:
Bigger diameter stainless steel header with custom made open exhaust, K&N air filter, modified side cover.
At this moment I have 175 main jet 68s slow jet, but Honda recommend the 185 mainjet for this modification.
So what do you think guys could this be a good choice?
Thanks

I would rather start with the 185 and be rich than a lean mixture. Jet are not too expensive.
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  PigInTheCity on Thu Apr 17, 2014 1:54 pm

http://www.duncanracing.com/TechCenter/KeihinCarbJetting.pdf  good thread 
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Re: How to properly jet your XR650R

Post  SMXR on Tue Sep 06, 2016 9:23 am

How many sizes would you add if you removed stock air box and added k&n pod filter?
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