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Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  Mad Frosty on Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:11 am

Cleaned and oiled the chain and air filter , changed the oil as i have done over 1000 km's on it , oil was still fairly clean , oil filter clean , screen filter clean , magnet clean ,....
I wanted to get out as much as possible of the old oil so i have leaned the bike on its side nearly flat on the floor and used the kick starter to pump it all out , as i have done this something small fell out that must have sat at the bottom of the sump , just lucky that i have spotted it , its a small steel ( not aluminium nor brass ) flake curled / chewed very thin , black in colour , i have seen it all when it comes to what people got out of the engine from the XR but have never seen this one , now i am worried really worried .

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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  Mad Frosty on Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:17 am



Hard to take a decent photo as the thing is too small , less than 2 mm .
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Post  Mad Frosty on Sun Oct 19, 2014 1:20 am

I must have done good job getting the oil out as it took nearly two liters of new oil to fill it back up , normaly its 1,75 liters .
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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  JRZ7285 on Sun Oct 19, 2014 6:21 am

That's really hard to see madder! Could be anything, did you actually see it come out, was your oil pan clean before you drained oil in it? just trying to help you pin point it as I have never seen that before usually brass shavings or aluminum pieces when motor has gone Kaboom! Gears in most cases if one shatters something would lock up! scratch

How was your bike running before the change?

Have you taken off your down tube screen frosty and checked to see if anything was caught in it that looks similar to piece of metal?

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Post  Hew on Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:25 am

I really would not worry about it. It's probably been there a long time, maybe since it was first started. Remember that the oil is for the gearbox as well and it is usual that there will be little bits in the bottom of the crank case when it's opened up.
If anything was going wrong there would be a load of metal on the sump plug magnet.

Fill it with oil, ride it, drop the oil a bit sooner than the 1000KM if you are worried I am sure it will be fine. After all it is a Honda. Cool
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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  Mauser on Sun Oct 19, 2014 8:56 am

As above it's not worth worrying about, it it's magnetic why didn't it stick to your drain bolt Fruity ?....anyway move on and think positive that your engine is now 100% clean lol.

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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  Mad Frosty on Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:06 pm

JRZ7285 wrote:That's really hard to see madder! Could be anything, did you actually see it come out, was your oil pan clean before you drained oil in it? just trying to help you pin point it as I have never seen that before usually brass shavings or aluminum pieces when motor has gone Kaboom! Gears in most cases if one shatters something would lock up! scratch

How was your bike running before the change?

Have you taken off your down tube screen frosty and checked to see if anything was caught in it that looks similar to piece of metal?

John

It has definitely came from the engine as i have spotted it when it fell out , first i thought its just a piece of silicone from the top , when Joyrider had rebuild the Cams as there was some silicone excess on the outside , but when i picked it up i have realised that its a metal flake .
There was nothing else in there just this one piece , nothing on the screen filters nor the paper oil filter .
Maybe i am just paranoid but the bike seems more " vibey " now but i am mad so i dont know for sure Frustrated
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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  Mad Frosty on Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:13 pm

Mauser wrote:As above it's not worth worrying about, it it's magnetic why didn't it stick to your drain bolt Fruity ?....anyway move on and think positive that your engine is now 100% clean lol.

I think it never passed the drain bolt neither came close enough to be attracted to the neodymium magnet , my theory is that it was sitting at the very bottom of the engine sump ( heavy enough to stay there - not get moved by the oil flow ) and i would never have found it if i had not placed the bike on its side ( resting on the handlebars ) to get all the oil out , so it had no choice but to fall out . Perhaps that would be a good idea for others to try and drain the oil out this way , you never know what you have sitting in there Bump
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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  Mad Frosty on Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:20 pm

Hew wrote:I really would not worry about it. It's probably been there a long time, maybe since it was first started. Remember that the oil is for the gearbox as well and it is usual that there will be little bits in the bottom of the crank case when it's opened up.
If anything was going wrong there would be a load of metal on the sump plug magnet.

Fill it with oil, ride it, drop the oil a bit sooner than the 1000KM if you are worried I am sure it will be fine. After all it is a Honda. Cool

I have never found nothing in any of my bikes ever , and i am bit scared to take the bike for a long ride somewhere in the middle of nowhere , in case it goes "kaboom" and i will have to push it for miles , or climb up the hill to get some phone signall .
Now there are two options -
-Sell the bike , and get the new Africa Twin ( comming soon )
- Have the engine rebuild for piece of mind

Not sure what to do , shrug
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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  JRZ7285 on Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:34 pm

It is probably nothing only cause it was one little piece and not several, plus your oil filter was clean I wouldn't worry much about it...could have been in there when your bike was being put together at the Honda factory and finally dislodged itself!

Madder just change your oil a little sooner than usual to double check that there is nothing in it to give you piece of mind!
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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  beaver350 on Sun Oct 19, 2014 2:42 pm

Have you changed your oil viscosity of late, i mean a different grade or gone from mineral to synthetic ??? Recently i changed from 15w50 mineral to 10w40 semi synthetic and first oil change had all sorts of crap come out of it,even a piece looked a bit like your pic.My bike is original 12000 km never been apart.What i have read is that later spec oils (especially synthetic)will clean out more carbon and crap that has built up in the crankcase. listen up

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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  Mad Frosty on Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:31 pm

Yes i have gone from mineral , to fully synthetic and then fully synthetic again always using 10W40 as per honda recomendation , 3 oil changes in total in less than 2000 km's .
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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  Pathfinder on Mon Oct 20, 2014 9:38 am

Could it possibly some casting flash broken off from the gear selector forks or drum?

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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  SkidMark on Mon Oct 20, 2014 5:45 pm

You need to cut old filter paper off the filter frame, wash it off with clean petrol and then filter the liquid through a paper towel or clean shop rag. Then you can see excatly what was in your filter. If you find nothing then keep riding and check again at next oil change (do the next one a bit sooner if your worried).

This is the only way to find out what is going through your engine. If you find anything worrying you can send the sample for analysis to find out what material is in the sample and so narrow down where in the engine it came from.
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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  Mad Frosty on Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:13 pm

I had the oil sample under microscope , it seems ok , no metal particles at all , hopefuly all is good .
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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  ooeddym on Mon Oct 20, 2014 7:50 pm

WOOHOO, put oil in it and ride the hell out of it.
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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  xr honda to the max on Fri Nov 07, 2014 2:21 pm

l'm not here to scare you , but the lower end rod on these bikes fail after time , mine did and had to purchase another bike , ENGINE TOASTED BIG TIME
what l learn't from the seller was a different starting format , he told me to use the decompression and crank engine over 10 times , which send oil to crank lower end , being a dry sump engine one needs oil to different areas on start up.
hopefully your is ok
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Re: Oil Change today with a nasty surprise .

Post  SkidMark on Fri Nov 07, 2014 4:28 pm

that's not a different starting format that's the normal starting procedure.
Choke on
couple of turns on your idle
decompression in, kill switch off
Kick through 4 times
kill switch on
kick through to tdc
and kick through to fire her up
Choke off and set idle back

mines fires from cold first kick everytime (except from when she had diesel in her. ... :-( ).  From hot just find tdc and kick.
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Post  xr honda to the max on Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:02 pm

my 04 model l bought used as my 03 model , mine will start ever time as you mentioned l used choke and return choke too off shortly after wards , my new to me 03 bike l use the above method to help get oil in the areas required . l will change crank rod or crank shortly for preventive maintenance. l lost my other bike 04 model from crank rod failure and motor is completely toast , will show later , its now a parts bike ???!!
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